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el jay has gone screwy [Oct. 8th, 2008|11:38 am]
The truth about comix

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tom S. over @ Comics Reporter has posted another provocative list -- 50 Things Every Great Comix Collection Needs -- and it has turned into a pretty fun game. Just take his list and modify as follows:

Bold = things I do have
Plain = things I don't have
Italics = things I have some but probably not enough of
Underline = I don't agree I need this

He makes a pretty big deal about owning particular publishing formats, which is not important to me, but hey it's his game. I should also remind myself that th greatest collections of anything--comix, records, mp3s, Beanie Babies, whatever--are inside one's head; and we Americans are too greedy, etc., and capitalism's in th shop for repairs; but I also can't lend you th comix I have inside my head !


01. Something From The ACME Novelty Library
Started w/ Issue 1 and never stopped. A real problem for shelving, since a few of them appear to be half as tall as I am.

02. A Complete Run Of Arcade
Hah! I wish! If I were 10 years older I would probably have this.

03. Any Number Of Mini-Comics
My very first mini was David Lasky's brilliant 1991 adaptation of James Joyce's Ulysses in 36 panels. Now I have mini-comix flowing out of every orifice.

04. At Least One Pogo Book From The 1950s
I should probably have my reader's license revoked: not only do I not have any Pogo book from th 1950s; I have no Pogo book @ all! Fantagraphics are trying to fix my problem, but until den mebbe ah should do some digging in used bookstores?

05. A Barnaby Collection
It looks like I "need" this, too.

06. Binky Brown and the Holy Virgin Mary
Fucking fuck yeah! Th final word on Catholic guilt, if you ask me--ah'm a expert.

07. As Many Issues of RAW as You Can Place Your Hands On
I have placed my hands on and read many of them, but never bought one--which is a shame now that they fetch hundreds of dollars on ebay or whatever.

08. A Little Stack of Archie Comics
You don't have to own these th same way you don't have to own Beatles albums.

09. A Suite of Modern Literary Graphic Novels
My short list: Gemma Bovery, Epileptic, City of Glass, and Th Rabbi's Cat.

10. Several Tintin Albums
My mum bought these for me when she went to England, I think?

11. A Smattering Of Treasury Editions Or Similarly Oversized Books
Frank Santoro's Storeyville is th greatest thing I read this year.

12. Several Significant Runs of Alternative Comic Book Series
He's talking about Eightball, Dirty Plotte, Jim Woodring's various titles--my soundtrack to 1994, basically.

13. A Few Early Comic Strip Collections To Your Taste
I like: Krazy Kat, Polly & Her Pals, Little Nemo, and Popeye; but we're living in a golden age of reprints, and there's a lot of stuff out there to get greedy about. Gasoline Alley's probably next on my list. Or that Noel Sickles book--sick!

14. Several "Indy Comics" From Their Heyday
Cerebus is th best example I can think of of a great work of art that might well be incomprehensible to somebody who didn't grow up loving comix. W/o Flaming Carrot, Th Tick would not exist. Is it too late for me to get into American Flagg? Probably.

15. At Least One Comic Book From When You First Started Reading Comic Books
Wolverine snikt snikt woo hoo !

16. At Least One Comic That Failed to Finish The Way It Planned To
R.I.P. Big Numbers and Underwater.

17. Some Osamu Tezuka
Thanks to y'all.

18. The Entire Run Of At Least One Manga Series
Workin' on it.

19. One Or Two 1970s Doonesbury Collections
I still remember when th one character died of AIDS and had "Wouldn't It Be Nice" playing in th background, but that happened in 1990.

20. At Least One Saul Steinberg Hardcover
No idea who he was until now.

21. One Run of A Comic Strip That You Yourself Have Clipped
I've clipped tons of Peanuts and Calvin & Hobbes over th years but dunno if ah ever got a significant uninterrupted run. That would be ...... nerdy!

22. A Selection of Comics That Interest You That You Can't Explain To Anyone Else
I think my continued interest in Ann Nocenti's Daredevil qualifies, although I tried to explain it.

23. At Least One Woodcut Novel
They do look pretty cool.

24. As Much Peanuts As You Can Stand
I've italicized this because as much Peanuts as I can stand would be a near-infinite amount of Peanuts. This includes his senile late period.

25. Maus
You always have @ least one thing that everybody else likes, that you don't. Spiegelman is mine.

26. A Significant Sample of R. Crumb's Sketchbooks
My attitude toward looking @ Crumb's drawings is identical to my attitude toward Peanuts.

27. The original edition of Sick, Sick, Sick
I've got and love other stuff by Feiffer but have never seen this one.

28. The Smithsonian Collection Of Newspaper Comics
I wonder if they would have this in one of th Smithsonian's gift shops? I could just drive there. Of course, right now on Amazon there is a copy available for $4.98, but that would require my overcoming my Amazonophobia.

29. Several copies of MAD
I used to buy MAD after it had gotten lame and was all parodies of Growing Pains or Silver Spoons or whatever, but th point of this is to have those great 1950s cartoons by Harvey Kurtzman, right? I have Th Jungle Book.

30. A stack of Jack Kirby 1970s Comic Books
I'm counting reprints.

31. More than a few Stan Lee/Jack Kirby 1960s Marvel Comic Books
A friend recently made th argument to me that Jack Kirby's pre-Stan Lee comix were not that great. It occurred to me then that I've never read Kirby's pre-Lee comix.

32. A You're-Too-High-To-Tell Amount of Underground Comix
I've got several issues of Zap (favourites: Robert Williams, Crumb, Rick Griffin) and not enough mushrooms.

33. Some Calvin and Hobbes
Yes, but I do not have Th Calvin and Hobbes Tenth Anniversary Book, which contains Watterson's essay on comics, and now I want it.

34. Some Love and Rockets
Th only thing missing from my collection is Luba's Comics and Stories #8, which looks like this:

boom boom

--so if you see a copy lying around somewhere, grab it for me, willya? Ah'll buy you a hamburger.

35. The Marvel Benefit Issue Of Coober Skeber
An anthology Highwater Books put out in 1997 that contains Marvel Comics characters as interpreted by primitivist cartoonists Ron Regé, Brian Ralph, Mat Brinkman, and Brian Chippendale. Who knew it would become legendary? (I reckon that's how legendariness works: stealthily.)

36. A Few Comics Not In Your Native Tongue
My favourite is Eiland, a Dutch comix that is mostly wordless. I also have a copy of Dark Knight in Dutch that I picked up in Amsterdam's airport and a bunch of untranslated manga my old BFF Roger got for me in Japan when he was trying to become a monk.

37. A Nice Stack of Jack Chick Comics
Shit! I don't have any! Did you know they've been translated into over 100 languages? I'm not sure if Chick himself draws them anymore, but his company is still putting out new ones. Here's their latest, a timely bit of anti-Halloween propaganda.

38. A Stack of Comics You Can Hand To Anybody's Kid
I used to buy Bone and Cartoon Network comix for my ex-gf's son, but he's 15 now and his interest in comix was bulldozed by video games and girls. We are Facebook friends, which is about as strange as you might guess.

39. At Least A Few Alan Moore Comics
I have pretty much everything except for stuff that looks like it was drawn by Rob Liefeld, who hurts my eyes.

40. A Comic You Made Yourself
It is v. crappy, but I am v. proud of it. More important: it was hella fun to make, and I remember w/ great fondness that night of th 24-Hour Comix People all piled into my living room all night drawing like crazy, w/ a little help from Mr Adderall.

41. A Few Comics About Comics
Hurrah for Hicksville ! Still my favourite fictional town.

42. A Run Of Yummy Fur
This series was bent.

43. Some Frank Miller Comics
Elektra: Assassin is best. Second-best is Year One. Third-best is Ronin, which was th last time I wholeheartedly enjoyed his art.

44. Several Lee/Ditko/Romita Amazing Spider-Man Comic Books
I have a hard time reading most Stan Lee comix, but you can't fuck w/ th art.

45. A Few Great Comics Short Stories
Th short stories in David Mazzuchelli's Rubber Blanket are probably my favourite short comix stories ever done by somebody not named Hernandez. It's th only comic book I ever wrote a letter to.

46. A Tijuana Bible
No, but I've got comix filth that would make th Tijuana Bibles blush.

47. Some Weirdo
Like Raw, I used to pick these up and read them in th store, but I couldn't let it eat into my Sandman budget. Too bad.

48. An Array Of Comics In Various Non-Superhero Genres
I've got way too much Sandman and not enough good crime or romance comix.

49. An Editorial Cartoonist's Collection or Two
Tim Kreider is a lot of fun, if by fun you mean totally miserable and probably an alcoholic!

50. A Few Collections From New Yorker Cartoonists
Fuck th New Yorker, that shit never made me laugh once.

To this list I would add:

51. English Translations of Comix That Contain Drawings of Buildings by François Schuiten
Moebius would work in this category, too.

52. Actually Moebius Deserves His Own Category
I regret not buying ALL those Epic translations when they were easily available.

53. At Least a Few African-American Science Fiction Comix
What is it about these blacks and their science fiction that fills me w/ equal parts utter joy and utter disorientation? Sun Ra, Funkadelic, Ultramagnetic MCs ... Walker of th Universe ...!

54. Asian Comix That Aren't Japanese
I regret to report that I have no Filipino comix.

55. Speaking of Filipinos How About Some Lynda Barry Collections, Am I Right??
But I would remove all th strips emcee'd by a poodle and focus on th family stuff.
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[User Picture]From: bad_juice
2008-10-08 04:23 pm (UTC)

I thought you did that on purpose

And I was like, damn, this is hard to read Mario.

Of these, I only own some L&R and one book of Krazy Kat. I guess Portland library spoiled me into not buying comics. When I'm less poor I might start trying this.
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[User Picture]From: lostcosmonaut
2008-10-09 12:04 pm (UTC)

you are off to a mighty great start

my impression is that Portland and New York are th two most comix-friendly towns in America

--mza.
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[User Picture]From: asphalteden
2008-10-08 04:27 pm (UTC)
I do real poor on this list, but I got all the Schuiten and all the Moebius.
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[User Picture]From: lostcosmonaut
2008-10-09 11:59 am (UTC)

i have not seen those moebiuses in eons and they would probably cost a pretty penny now

as far as I am concerned, that makes you rich in comix!--mza.
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[User Picture]From: murdermystery
2008-10-08 05:26 pm (UTC)

tell me more about dese

african-american sci-fi comix

i want some
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[User Picture]From: lostcosmonaut
2008-10-09 11:53 am (UTC)

not quite ready to be published by marvel

well it's not a movement or anything--jest every now and den I come across a comic book starring Public Enemy or Method Man or some normal black kid

and they are portrayed as having powers cosmic

as intergalactic warriors

involved in a war that could end Earth

Th ones I like best tend to be drawn ... rather roughly ... and have ... a shaky understanding of anatomy

and plots that verge on ... incomprehensible

and appear to be unfazed by absurdity

I don't know if yr local comix shop will have anything like this; my shop rarely does; you'll jest have to keep yr eyes open

(As you might imagine, I'm a little out of touch w/r/t th black nerd community)

--mza.
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[User Picture]From: nondisbeliever
2008-10-08 06:28 pm (UTC)
Maus is one of those books I've been meaning to read for some time now, but there's just way too much else I have to catch up with first.

Reading lists like this makes me feel like a total comic philistine.
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[User Picture]From: lostcosmonaut
2008-10-09 02:21 am (UTC)

everybody has to read epileptic

lists like this are useful to me for organizing my thoughts on where I have been and where I wanna go next; you can use it that way, too!

Spiegelman has a new book out called Breakdowns; it is actually an old book originally published in 1978 -- very rare -- but this reprint includes an introduction by him (in comix form) that is nearly as long as th rest of th book and very good in its own right

I might end up liking Breakdowns a lot more than Maus

--mza.
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[User Picture]From: uberdionysus
2008-10-09 02:52 am (UTC)
I think Maus is a masterpiece. Give it a shot.
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[User Picture]From: odobenidae
2008-10-08 07:26 pm (UTC)

"Mad" over "Cracked," I guess

Amazon is so keen! Order up to $25, get free shipping, stuff arrives pronto. Retail stores can suck it, man, I still owe countless thousands b/c of those fuckers.
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[User Picture]From: lostcosmonaut
2008-10-09 02:11 am (UTC)

cracked s web site occasionally has some entertaining articles but i have never looked at mad s site

o no doubt they are keen, but that is why this fear qualifies as a phobia: it is irrational

--mza.
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[User Picture]From: uberdionysus
2008-10-08 10:38 pm (UTC)
01. Something From The ACME Novelty Library
I also started w/ Issue 1 and never stopped.

02. A Complete Run Of Arcade
Yeah, I WISH I had this.

03. Any Number Of Mini-Comics
Yep, lots.

04. At Least One Pogo Book From The 1950s
I have no Pogo books; have barely read it.

05. A Barnaby Collection

06. Binky Brown and the Holy Virgin Mary

07. As Many Issues of RAW as You Can Place Your Hands On
I only have two, and the repritns.

08. A Little Stack of Archie Comics

09. A Suite of Modern Literary Graphic Novels

10. Several Tintin Albums

11. A Smattering Of Treasury Editions Or Similarly Oversized Books

12. Several Significant Runs of Alternative Comic Book Series

13. A Few Early Comic Strip Collections To Your Taste

14. Several "Indy Comics" From Their Heyday

15. At Least One Comic Book From When You First Started Reading Comic Books
A friend gave me all his comics - they were older then us, but great, the Chris Claremont X-Men run from Dark Phoenix on, and all of Frank Miller's Daredevil. A lot of crap too, of course.

16. At Least One Comic That Failed to Finish The Way It Planned To
Agreed: R.I.P. Big Numbers and Underwater.

17. Some Osamu Tezuka

18. The Entire Run Of At Least One Manga Series
I wish. Starting on Lone Wolf and Cub. Have a lot of the dearly lamented Pulp stuff, but they're real short. Uzumeki is still a fave.

19. One Or Two 1970s Doonesbury Collections

20. At Least One Saul Steinberg Hardcover

21. One Run of A Comic Strip That You Yourself Have Clipped
Comic strips have sucked since Calvin and Hobbes, Farside and Bloom County ended. And all that stuff has been reprinted. I'd simply like people to continue to reprint the great stuff from before.

22. A Selection of Comics That Interest You That You Can't Explain To Anyone Else
Some really bad Wildstorm comics.

23. At Least One Woodcut Novel
I'd like more; I only have Man Ray's awesome proto comics. Do Dore prints count? I think yes.

24. As Much Peanuts As You Can Stand

25. Maus
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[User Picture]From: uberdionysus
2008-10-08 10:39 pm (UTC)
26. A Significant Sample of R. Crumb's Sketchbooks

27. The original edition of Sick, Sick, Sick

28. The Smithsonian Collection Of Newspaper Comics
I've wanted this for a LONG time. Now, I need it. I think I'm going to go buy it right now.

29. Several copies of MAD

30. A stack of Jack Kirby 1970s Comic Books

31. More than a few Stan Lee/Jack Kirby 1960s Marvel Comic Books

32. A You're-Too-High-To-Tell Amount of Underground Comix

33. Some Calvin and Hobbes

34. Some Love and Rockets

35. The Marvel Benefit Issue Of Coober Skeber
Whoa! I didn't know about this. Awesome.

36. A Few Comics Not In Your Native Tongue
A bunch of French stuff from L'Association and a few random things. A beautiful Italian comic and a collection of Scandinavian comics. Shit, I have a bunch.

37. A Nice Stack of Jack Chick Comics

38. A Stack of Comics You Can Hand To Anybody's Kid
Maybe. I'd have to think about it.

39. At Least A Few Alan Moore Comics

40. A Comic You Made Yourself

41. A Few Comics About Comics
I agree with MZA - I want to live in Hicksville.

42. A Run Of Yummy Fur

43. Some Frank Miller Comics

44. Several Lee/Ditko/Romita Amazing Spider-Man Comic Books

45. A Few Great Comics Short Stories
MZA, do you have all the Rubber Blankets?

46. A Tijuana Bible

47. Some Weirdo

48. An Array Of Comics In Various Non-Superhero Genres
I REALLY want to get those EC comics collections, but they're so freaking expensive. There's also a new beautiful collection of the early Creepy comics, which is unbelievable.

49. An Editorial Cartoonist's Collection or Two
My favorite is a print run of this really great magazine whose name I forget. That reminds me: it's buried in storage and I need to dig it out.

50. A Few Collections From New Yorker Cartoonists

51. English Translations of Comix That Contain Drawings of Buildings by François Schuiten

52. Actually Moebius Deserves His Own Category

53. At Least a Few African-American Science Fiction Comix
Sun Ra did a comic?

54. Asian Comix That Aren't Japanese
I don't know of any.

55. Speaking of Filipinos How About Some Lynda Barry Collections, Am I Right??



I'd add

55. Experimental Japanese comics

And I change 51 to "Collections of stuff from Heavy Metal magazine. Or maybe a

56. Soft core euro stuff like Milo Manara, Guido Crepax, Serpiei, all dem. But that really goes with my 51.
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[User Picture]From: danithesquirrel
2008-10-08 11:21 pm (UTC)
I only have a few of these and I have nearly a whole bookcase full of comics. I feel like a fraud.
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[User Picture]From: lostcosmonaut
2008-10-09 01:44 am (UTC)

i heard these days you can download lots of comix but that sounds like no fun

you're also a lot younger than I am, Dani, I think -- there's no need to hurry !

--mza.
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